Apologetics/Latter-day Saints (Mormonism)

Latter-day Saints (Mormonism)

For conversations with members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who will often use the same words you do and mean something different by them: what they believe, where the vocabulary overlaps while the meanings part, and how to talk about it with respect.

The three questions that matter most

  1. 1Is God eternal spirit and unlike anything he made, or an exalted being with a body?
  2. 2Is Jesus the eternal Word of one being with the Father, or the first spirit child of the Father?
  3. 3Is eternal life a gift received through faith, or exaltation earned through ordinances and obedience?

Part 1

What they believe

Latter-day Saints believe that the true church established by Jesus fell into apostasy after the apostles died, and that it was restored in 1830 through Joseph Smith, to whom God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared, and who translated the Book of Mormon from golden plates by the gift and power of God. Scripture is therefore the Bible (as far as it is translated correctly), the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, with a living prophet and apostles who continue to receive revelation. God the Father is understood as an exalted being with a glorified body of flesh and bone; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are three distinct beings united in purpose, not one being in three persons. Jesus Christ is the literal firstborn spirit child of the Father, the Jehovah of the Old Testament, who took a body, atoned for sin in Gethsemane and on the cross, and rose again; he is Saviour and Redeemer, and members will say plainly that they are Christians. Human beings are spirit children of heavenly parents who lived before birth, came to earth to gain a body and be tested, and may through the atonement of Christ, faith, repentance, baptism, the gift of the Holy Ghost, temple ordinances and enduring to the end be exalted: to become like God and live eternally in families. Salvation in the sense of resurrection is given to nearly everyone through Christ; exaltation, the fullness of eternal life, requires covenant obedience. Temples are where the most sacred ordinances are performed, including eternal marriage and ordinances on behalf of the dead. The church is organised, lay-led, and deeply committed to family, service and clean living, and its members are among the most sincere and generous people you will meet.

Where to read it for yourself

  • Joseph Smith, History 1:15-20 (Pearl of Great Price): the First Vision, in which the Father and the Son appear to Joseph Smith
  • Articles of Faith 1:8: the Bible is the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; the Book of Mormon is also the word of God
  • Doctrine and Covenants 130:22: the Father and the Son have bodies of flesh and bones; the Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit
  • Doctrine and Covenants 76:50-70: the celestial kingdom and exaltation
  • Doctrine and Covenants 132:19-20: eternal marriage and becoming gods
  • Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:23: saved by grace, after all we can do; the verse most often discussed between Latter-day Saints and other Christians
  • Book of Mormon, Moroni 10:4-5: the invitation to pray about the Book of Mormon and receive a testimony through the Holy Ghost
  • Book of Mormon, Mosiah 3:17-18 and Alma 34:8-16: the atonement of Christ as the only means of salvation
  • Pearl of Great Price, Moses 1:39 and Abraham 3:22-26: God's work to bring about eternal life, and the pre-mortal existence of spirits

Part 2

Where we agree

Latter-day Saints believe in God, in Jesus Christ as Saviour who died and rose, in prayer, in Scripture, in moral seriousness, in the family, in service to neighbour, and in life after death. They read the Bible, sing many of the same hymns, and will tell you sincerely that Jesus Christ is at the centre of their faith. The vocabulary you share is real: atonement, grace, faith, repentance, baptism, eternal life. Start there, and say honestly that you admire the devotion, the generosity, and the seriousness about family that you see. Do not treat a Latter-day Saint as a stranger to the Bible; most know it better than the average churchgoer.

Part 3

Where Christianity stands, and why it matters

The words overlap; the meanings part, and it is kinder to say so than to let the overlap stand in for agreement. First, God: historic Christianity confesses one God who is Father, Son and Spirit, eternal, without body, uncreated and unlike anything he made (Isaiah 44:6-8; Isaiah 45:5; John 4:24); Latter-day Saint teaching holds that the Father has a body and that the three are separate beings, and that humans may become as God is. Second, Jesus: Christians confess him as the eternal Son, of one being with the Father, through whom all things were made (John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:15-20; Hebrews 1:1-3); Latter-day Saint teaching makes him the first spirit child of the Father, exalted and divine, but not the one God in the sense the creeds mean. Third, how one is saved: Christians hold that eternal life is a gift received through faith in Christ alone, not earned by ordinances or obedience (Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5; Galatians 2:16); Latter-day Saint teaching distinguishes the general resurrection, given by grace, from exaltation, which requires covenants and obedience. Fourth, revelation: Christians hold that the apostolic faith was delivered once for all and that Scripture is complete and sufficient (Jude 3; Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Timothy 3:16-17); Latter-day Saints hold that the church was restored through new scripture and continuing prophetic revelation. The Book of Mormon, the First Vision and the priesthood restoration are the historical claims on which the rest depends, and Latter-day Saints themselves say so.

Part 4

Scripture to know

Read these before the conversation. Each one opens in the Bible reader.

  • 1 Peter 3:15-16

    Gentleness and respect, for a people who are used to being mocked.

  • Isaiah 44:6-8

    There is no God besides me, and I know of none: the Bible's own answer to the idea of many gods or of becoming one.

  • Isaiah 45:5

    The same, in one line worth knowing by heart.

  • John 4:24

    God is spirit.

  • John 1:1-3

    The Word was God and made everything: not a firstborn spirit among spirits.

  • Colossians 1:15-20

    Firstborn over creation means heir and head, not first created; the next verse says all things were created through him.

  • Hebrews 1:1-3

    The Son as the exact expression of God's being.

  • Ephesians 2:8-9

    Saved by grace through faith, not by works: the sentence to compare with 2 Nephi 25:23.

  • Galatians 2:16

    No one is justified by works of the law.

  • Titus 3:5

    Not by righteous works we have done, but by his mercy.

  • Galatians 1:6-9

    Paul on a different gospel, even from an angel: the passage every Latter-day Saint has already heard, so use it thoughtfully rather than as a weapon.

  • Jude 1:3

    The faith delivered once for all to the saints.

  • 2 Timothy 3:16-17

    Scripture as sufficient to make the person of God complete.

  • Revelation 22:18-19

    Often quoted against added scripture; know that it refers to the book of Revelation itself, and say so, because your friend will.

  • 1 John 5:13

    You can know you have eternal life: the assurance the gospel offers now.

Part 5

How to make the case

Define the words. Almost every conversation with a Latter-day Saint goes wrong because both people say grace, or Son of God, or eternal life, and each hears their own meaning. Ask, gently: when you say Jesus is the Son of God, what do you mean by that? Then say what you mean. Talk about God's nature before anything else, because the doctrine of God is where the two faiths actually part, and the questions of the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith follow from it. Ask to read the Bible together; most Latter-day Saints will gladly, and the Bible is the one book you hold in common. Be honest about assurance: the single most freeing thing many former Latter-day Saints report is discovering that eternal life is a gift already given, not a standard still to be met, so speak of what Christ has finished (John 19:30; Hebrews 10:12-14). Expect a testimony rather than an argument: your friend was taught to bear testimony of the restored gospel, and may invite you to pray about the Book of Mormon; you can answer that you test every message against the Scripture God has already given, and that you have. Do not rush. Leaving a faith that is also a family, a community and a whole way of life costs more than most Christians imagine; be the friend who is still there afterwards, and pray for them by name.

Part 6

What not to claim

  • Do not say Latter-day Saints are not Christians as your opening line. They believe they are, sincerely; the honest and more useful statement is that their teaching about God and Jesus differs from historic Christianity at the root, and to explain how.
  • Do not repeat the sensational versions of what happens in temples, or use the word cult. Both end the conversation and neither is necessary.
  • Do not claim the Book of Mormon teaches nothing about grace or the atonement. It teaches both, at length; the difference lies in what exaltation requires and in who God is.
  • Do not assume the person believes every teaching from the church's past. Some historical teachings have been revised or set aside, and the individual in front of you may not hold them.
  • Do not use Revelation 22:18-19 as if it were about the whole Bible. It refers to the book of Revelation, and your friend knows it.
  • Do not attack Joseph Smith's character as your main argument. Even if every criticism were granted, it would not by itself settle who God is; keep the conversation on God and on Christ.

Part 7

Objections you will hear

What your friend is likely to say, and an answer you can give in your own words, with the passages behind it.

We are Christians too. Why do you say we are not?

Do not say it as your opening line, and do not say it as an insult. Say instead that the words are shared and the meanings are not, and that you would rather define terms than trade labels. Ask: when you say Jesus is the Son of God, what do you mean? Then say what you mean: the eternal Word, of one being with the Father, through whom everything was made (John 1:1-3). The question is not whether your friend loves Jesus, which they do, but whether the Jesus of Latter-day Saint teaching, a spirit child who became a god, is the Jesus of the Bible. That is a question about God, and it can be discussed without contempt.

Scripture: John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:15-20, Hebrews 1:1-3

The Bible is the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. The Book of Mormon corrects what was lost.

Ask what was lost, specifically, and when. Then say that the Bible we have is the Bible the earliest Christians had; the manuscripts predate any restoration claim by fifteen centuries, and no plain and precious doctrine is missing from them that the Book of Mormon restores, because the Book of Mormon's distinctive teachings about God are mostly not in the Book of Mormon either but in later revelations. Read Jude 1:3 together: the faith delivered once for all. Ask, kindly, why God would let his word fail for eighteen hundred years.

Scripture: Jude 1:3, Galatians 1:6-9, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, Isaiah 40:8

God has a body of flesh and bone. Jesus did, and we are made in God's image.

John 4:24 says God is spirit, and Jesus says it about the Father. The image of God in Genesis 1:27 is about who we are, not what shape we are, since Jesus took a body at a point in time and the Father never did (Luke 24:39 is Jesus speaking of his own risen body, not the Father's). Isaiah 44:6-8 and 45:5 are the verses to read slowly: there is no God besides me, and I know of none. That leaves no room for a God who was once a man or a man who will become a God. Say it without triumph; this is the deepest difference, and the one that decides the rest.

Scripture: John 4:24, Isaiah 44:6-8, Isaiah 45:5, Numbers 23:19

We are saved by grace after all we can do. Faith without works is dead.

Agree about James 2:17: faith that does nothing is not faith. Then show the order the Bible keeps: Ephesians 2:8-10 puts good works after salvation, as its fruit, not before it as its price; Titus 3:5 says not by righteous works we have done. The word after in your friend's phrase is the whole difference. Ask them, gently, whether they know today that they have eternal life; 1 John 5:13 says a Christian can. Many who leave Latter-day Saint teaching say assurance was the thing they had never been allowed to have.

Scripture: Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5, Galatians 2:16, 1 John 5:13

I prayed about the Book of Mormon and felt the Spirit confirm it. How can you argue with that?

Do not argue with the feeling; argue with the test. Say that you also want the Spirit's witness and that the Bible tells you how to recognise it: the Spirit never contradicts the word he gave (John 16:13-14, 1 John 4:1). A warm feeling about a book is not what Scripture calls the Spirit's testimony; the Spirit's testimony is to Jesus, and it agrees with what is written. Then offer your own test: read the Bible's descriptions of God beside the Book of Mormon's and the later revelations, and see whether they can both be true. Feelings can be sincere and mistaken; the Bereans checked Paul against Scripture and were praised for it (Acts 17:11).

Scripture: 1 John 4:1, Acts 17:11, John 16:13-14, Galatians 1:8

Part 8

Case studies

Example conversations: what was said, what worked, what to avoid, and the passages used.

The missionaries who kept coming back

Two young missionaries visiting a Christian family weekly for two months.

The family fed them every week and let them teach their lessons in full without interrupting. In the third week the father asked one question: when you say Jesus is the Son of God, what do you mean by that? The missionaries explained the pre-mortal spirit birth. The father thanked them, opened John 1, and read verses 1 to 3 aloud, then asked how a Word who was God and made all things could be a spirit child who was made. They said they would ask their leaders. The next week they brought an answer that talked about Jesus being Jehovah. The father said that was interesting, and read Isaiah 44:6-8 and 45:5, and asked how Jehovah could say there is no God besides him if the Father was another god above him. Nobody won. The missionaries kept coming, and one of them said, months later, that he had never been asked to define the word before, and that it had not left him. The family kept praying for him by name.

What worked

One question, asked once, and then Scripture read slowly. Hospitality that cost the family something. No mockery of temples or Joseph Smith. Patience measured in months.

What to avoid

Rebutting every point of the lesson. The word cult. Sending them away with a tract they are not allowed to read.

Scripture used: John 1:1-3, Isaiah 44:6-8, Isaiah 45:5, Colossians 1:15-20

The sister-in-law who wanted to know if she was enough

Two women in one extended family, one a lifelong Latter-day Saint who is exhausted by trying to be worthy, the other a Christian.

The Latter-day Saint sister-in-law said, half joking, that she was tired of never being enough: the callings, the temple recommend interviews, the sense that eternity depended on keeping up. The Christian did not seize it. She asked what would happen if she stopped trying. Her sister-in-law said she would lose her family forever. The Christian said that sounded like a weight no one should carry, and that the thing that had changed her own life was discovering that eternal life is a gift already given, not a standard still to be met. She read Ephesians 2:8-9 and then 1 John 5:13, and asked her sister-in-law to notice the word know. Her sister-in-law said she had read those verses a hundred times. The Christian asked her to read them once more as if they were addressed to her. She cried. Nothing was decided that night. The Christian did not push, and she did not stop being family. Two years later her sister-in-law was baptised in a church where nobody asked whether she was worthy.

What worked

She heard the exhaustion and spoke to it. She offered assurance, the one thing the other teaching cannot. She let the text speak. She counted the cost of leaving with her sister-in-law and stayed close through it.

What to avoid

Treating her doubt as a debate opening. Attacking the church she still loved. Expecting the decision to be quick or cheap.

Scripture used: Ephesians 2:8-10, 1 John 5:13, Romans 5:1, John 19:30, Hebrews 10:12-14

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